DTC P0717 Gas
Circuit Description
The automatic transmission input shaft speed (AT ISS) sensor provides transmission input speed to the powertrain control module (PCM). The AT ISS sensor is a permanent magnet generator. The sensor mounts into the transmission case and maintains a slight air gap between the sensor and the forward clutch housing. The PM generator produces an AC voltage as the forward clutch housing rotor teeth pass through the sensor's magnetic field. The AC voltage level increases as the turbine shaft speed increases. The PCM converts the AC voltage into a digital signal. The PCM determines actual turbine speed using the digital signal. The PCM uses the input speed to calculate torque converter slip speed, and gear ratios.
When the PCM detects a low or no input speed during high vehicle and high engine speeds, then DTC P0717 sets. DTC P0717 is a type C DTC. For California emissions vehicles, DTC P0717 is a type B DTC.
Conditions for Running the DTC
| • | No VSS DTC P0502 or P0503. |
| • | No TFP manual valve position switch DTC P1810. |
| • | TFP manual valve position switch is not PARK or NEUTRAL. |
| • | The system voltage is 8-18 volts. |
| • | The vehicle speed is greater than 12 km/h (7 mph). |
| • | The engine runs greater than 400 RPM for at least 7 seconds, and not in fuel cutoff. |
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The input speed is less than 100 RPM for at least 5 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
| • | For California emission equipped vehicles, the PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. For Federal emission equipped vehicles, the MIL is not illuminated. |
| • | The PCM defaults the transmission to maximum line pressure. |
| • | The PCM freezes shift adapts. |
| • | The PCM records the operating conditions when the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. The PCM stores this information as Freeze Frame, California only, and Failure Records, California and Federal. |
| • | The PCM stores the DTC P0717 in PCM history during the second consecutive trip, California, or the first trip, Federal, in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. |
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
| • | For California emissions, the PCM turns OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test runs and passes. |
| • | A scan tool can clear the MIL/DTC. |
| • | For California emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without an emission related diagnostic fault occurring. |
| • | For Federal emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without a non-emission related diagnostic fault occurring. |
| • | The PCM cancels the DTC default actions when the fault no longer exists and the ignition switch is OFF long enough in order to power down the PCM. |
Diagnostic Aids
DTC P0717 defaults to an elevated line pressure condition which may result in partial TCC apply. This may produce an idle surge that could stall the engine.
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
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This step tests for proper circuit operation up to the PCM connection.
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This step tests for proper operation of the AT ISS sensor.
Step | Action | Value(s) | Yes | No | ||||
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1 | Did you perform the Powertrain Diagnostic System Check? | -- | Go to Step 2 | Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls in Engine Controls - 4.3L or Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls in Engine Controls - 5.0/5.7L or Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls in Engine Controls - 8.1L | ||||
2 |
Important: Before clearing the DTC, use the scan tool in order to record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records for reference. Using the Clear Info function erases the Freeze Frame and Failure Records from the PCM. With the drive wheels rotating, does the scan tool Transmission ISS increase with the drive wheel speed? | -- | Go to Intermittent Conditions in Engine Controls - 4.3L or Intermittent Conditions in Engine Controls - 5.0/5.7L or Intermittent Conditions in Engine Controls - 8.1L | Go to Step 3 | ||||
Does the resistance measure within the specified range? | 1,377-3,355 ohms | Go to Step 4 | Go to Step 7 | |||||
4 | Measure the resistance from terminal C2-22 to ground. Does the resistance measure greater than the specified value? | 50 K ohms | Go to Step 5 | Go to Step 8 | ||||
5 |
Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | Go to Step 12 | ||||
Does the resistance measure within the specified range? | 1,377-3,355 ohms | Go to Step 7 | Go to Step 11 | |||||
7 | Was the resistance measured in Step 3 greater than the specified value? | 3355 ohms | Go to Step 9 | Go to Step 10 | ||||
8 |
Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||
9 |
Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||
10 | Test the high signal circuit (CKT 1230) and the low signal circuit (CKT 1231) for a short together. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||
11 | Replace the ISS sensor assembly. Refer to Vehicle Input Speed Sensor Replacement or Vehicle Output Speed Sensor Replacement . Did you complete the replacement? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||
12 | Replace the PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement in Engine Controls - 4.3L or Powertrain Control Module Replacement in Engine Controls - 5.0/5.7L or Powertrain Control Module Replacement in Engine Controls - 8.1L. Did you complete the replacement? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||
13 | Perform the following procedure in order to verify the repair:
Has the test run and passed? | -- | System OK | Go to Step 1 |
DTC P0717 Diesel
Circuit Description
The automatic transmission input shaft speed (ISS) sensor provides transmission input speed to the powertrain control module (PCM). The ISS sensor is a permanent magnet (PM) generator. The sensor mounts into the transmission case and maintains a slight air gap between the sensor and the forward clutch housing. The PM generator produces an AC voltage as the forward clutch housing rotor teeth pass through the magnetic field of the sensor. The AC voltage level increases as the turbine shaft speed increases. The PCM converts the AC voltage into a digital signal. The PCM determines actual turbine speed using the digital signal. The PCM uses the input speed to calculate torque converter slip speed, and gear ratios.
When the PCM detects a low or no input speed during high vehicle and high engine speeds, then DTC P0717 sets. DTC P0717 is a type B DTC.
Conditions for Running the DTC
| • | No VSS sensor DTCs P0722 or P0723. |
| • | No TFP manual valve position switch DTC P1810. |
| • | TFP manual valve position switch is not in PARK or NEUTRAL. |
| • | The vehicle speed is greater than 32 km/h (20 mph). |
| • | System voltage is 8-18 volts. |
| • | The engine runs greater than 475 RPM 7 seconds. |
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The AT ISS is less than 50 RPM for at least 5 seconds.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
| • | The PCM illuminates the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) during the second consecutive trip in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. |
| • | The PCM defaults the transmission to maximum line pressure. |
| • | The PCM freezes shift adapts. |
| • | The PCM records the operating conditions when the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. The PCM stores this information as Freeze Frame and Failure Records. |
| • | The PCM stores the DTC P0717 in PCM history during the second consecutive trip in which the Conditions for Setting the DTC are met. |
Conditions for Clearing the MIL/DTC
| • | For Federal and California emissions, the PCM turns OFF the MIL during the third consecutive trip in which the diagnostic test runs and passes. |
| • | A scan tool can clear the MIL/DTC. |
| • | For Federal and California emissions, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without an emission related diagnostic fault occurring. |
| • | For vehicles equal to or greater than 15,000 lbs GVW, the PCM clears the DTC from PCM history if the vehicle completes 40 warm-up cycles without a non-emission related diagnostic fault occurring. |
| • | The PCM cancels the DTC default actions when the fault no longer exists and the ignition switch is OFF long enough in order to power down the PCM. |
Diagnostic Aids
| • | First diagnose and clear any engine DTCs that are present. Then inspect for any transmission DTCs that may have reset. If a DTC P0717 and a DTC P0730 are both present, diagnose DTC P0717 first. |
| • | DTC P0717 defaults to an elevated line pressure condition which may result in partial TCC apply. This may produce an idle surge that could stall the engine. |
Test Description
The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.
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This step tests for proper operation of the ISS sensor.
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This step tests for proper ISS sensor and circuit operation. Remove the fuel solenoid fuse in order to eliminate a flooding condition.
Step | Action | Value(s) | Yes | No | ||||||
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1 | Did you perform the Powertrain Diagnostic System Check? | -- | Go to Step 2 | Go to Diagnostic System Check - Engine Controls in Engine Controls - 6.5L | ||||||
Important: Before clearing the DTC, use the scan tool in order to record the Freeze Frame and Failure Records for reference. The Clear Info function will erase the data. Is the scan tool Transmission ISS more than 800 RPM? | -- | Go to Diagnostic Aids | Go to Step 3 | |||||||
3 |
Does the sensor resistance measure within the specified value? | 1,042-2,088 ohms | Go to Step 4 | Go to Step 11 | ||||||
4 | Test the AT ISS high signal circuit (CKT 1230) for an open or short to ground between the PCM connector C1-D11 and cavity 1 of the ISS sensor connector. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | Go to Step 5 | ||||||
5 | Test the AT ISS low signal circuit (CKT 1231) for an open between the PCM connector C1-D1 and cavity 2 of the ISS sensor connector. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | Go to Step 6 | ||||||
6 |
Does the voltage measure within the specified value? | 4.0-5.1 V DC | Go to Step 7 | Go to Step 8 | ||||||
7 |
Does the voltage measure less than the specified value? | 0.2 V | Go to Step 10 | Go to Step 9 | ||||||
8 | Is the voltage reading in Step 6 greater than the specified value? | 5.1 V | Go to Step 9 | Go to Step 12 | ||||||
9 | Test the AT ISS high signal circuit (CKT 1230) and the AT ISS low signal circuit (CKT 1231) for a short to B+ voltage or shorted together between the PCM connector C1 and the ISS harness connector cavities 1 and 2. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems. Did you find and correct the condition? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||||
Does the voltage measure above the specified value? | 0.5 V | Go to Step 12 | -- | |||||||
11 | Replace the ISS sensor. Refer to Vehicle Input Speed Sensor Replacement or Vehicle Output Speed Sensor Replacement . Did you complete the replacement? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||||
12 | Replace the PCM. Refer to Powertrain Control Module Replacement in Engine Controls - 6.5L. Did you complete the replacement? | -- | Go to Step 13 | -- | ||||||
13 | Perform the following procedure in order to verify the repair:
Has the test run and passed? | -- | System OK | Go to Step 1 |
