DTC B2508 or B2509 With Memory A45
Diagnostic Instructions
| • | Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure. |
| • | Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach. |
| • | Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category. |
DTC Descriptors
DTC B2508 01: Seat Heater Relay Circuit Short to BatteryDTC B2508 02: Seat Heater Relay Circuit Short to Ground
Diagnostic Fault Information
Circuit | Short to Ground | Open/High Resistance | Short to Voltage | Signal Performance |
|---|---|---|---|---|
B+ MSM Terminal 5 C3 | 1, 2, B1935 0C, B1935 0D, B2180 0C, B2180 0D, B2425 0C, B2425 0D, B2430 0C, B2430 0D | 1, 2, B1935 0C, B1935 0D, B2180 0C, B2180 0D, B2425 0C, B2425 0D, B2430 0C, B2430 0D | -- | -- |
Driver Heated Seat Back Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B1935 0C, B1935 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B1935 0B, B1935 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Back Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B1935 0C, B1935 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B1935 0B, B1935 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Signal | B2435 02 | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | B1935 0A, B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Driver Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2425 0C, B2425 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2425 0B, B2425 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2425 0C, B2425 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2425 0B, B2425 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Signal | B1925 02, B2425 1F | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B, B2425 0A |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2180 0C, B2180 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2180 0B, B2180 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2180 0C, B2180 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2180 0B, B2180 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Signal | B2440 02 | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | B2180 0A, B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2430 0C, B2430 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2430 0B, B2430 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2430 0C, B2430 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2430 0B, B2430 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Signal | B2170 02, B2430 1F | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B, B2430 0A |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
1. Power seat inoperative 2. Heated seat inoperative | ||||
Circuit/System Description
The driver and front passenger heated seat heating elements are controlled by a common high current relay internal to the memory seat module (MSM) and the low side by individual element control circuits. The MSM connects the heated seat heater element supply voltage circuits for both seats to a common reference point. This reference point is biased to approximately 2.0 volts. Before the MSM will allow heated seat operation, it checks to see if this reference voltage is shorted to ground or battery voltage. Once the MSM verifies that it is not closing to a shorted heating element, it allows heated seat operation. After which it continues to monitor for a shorted circuit.
Conditions for Running the DTC
The memory seat module must be powered.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
B2508 01
Before the heated seats are activated, the MSM detects a short to battery voltage on the seat heating element supply voltage circuit or control circuit.
B2508 02
Before the heated seats are activated, the MSM detects a short to ground on the seat heating element supply voltage circuit or control circuit.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The heated seat function for both the driver and passenger seats will be disabled.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC
| • | The current DTC clears when the malfunction is no longer present and the power mode changes to OFF then back to ACC or RUN. |
| • | The history DTC will clear after 50 consecutive fault-free ignition cycles have occurred. |
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Connector End View Reference
Description and Operation
Heated Seats Description and Operation
Electrical Information Reference
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Circuit/System Testing
- Ignition OFF, disconnect the X1, X4 harness connectors at the MSM.
- Test for infinite resistance between the control circuit terminal 6 X1 and ground.
- Test for infinite resistance between the control circuit terminal 14 X1 and ground.
- Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp does not illuminate between the control circuit terminal 6 X1 and ground.
- Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp does not illuminate between the control circuit terminal 14 X1 and ground.
- If all circuits test normal, replace the MSM.
| ⇒ | If not the specified value, test the control circuits listed below for a short to ground: |
| • | Driver seat cushion and back element terminal 6 X1 |
| • | Driver seat cushion element terminal 11 X1 |
| • | Driver seat back element terminal 1 X1 |
| ⇒ | If not the specified value, test the control circuits listed below for a short to ground: |
| • | Passenger seat cushion and back element terminal 14 X1 |
| • | Passenger seat cushion element terminal 14 X4 |
| • | Passenger seat back element terminal 4 X1 |
| ⇒ | If the test lamp illuminates, test the control circuits listed below for a short to voltage: |
| • | Driver seat cushion and back element terminal 6 X1 |
| • | Driver seat cushion element terminal 11 X1 |
| • | Driver seat back element terminal 1 X1 |
| ⇒ | If the test lamp illuminates, test the control circuits listed below for a short to voltage: |
| • | Passenger seat cushion and back element terminal 14 X1 |
| • | Passenger seat cushion element terminal 14 X4 |
| • | Passenger seat back element terminal 4 X1 |
Repair Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.
| • | Control Module References for MSM replacement, setup, and programming |
DTC B2508 or B2509 Without Memory A45
Diagnostic Instructions
| • | Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure. |
| • | Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach. |
| • | Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category. |
DTC Descriptors
DTC B2508 01: Seat Heater Relay Circuit Short to BatteryDTC B2508 02: Seat Heater Relay Circuit Short to Ground
Diagnostic Fault Information
Circuit | Short to Ground | Open/High Resistance | Short to Voltage | Signal Performance |
|---|---|---|---|---|
Driver Heated Seat Back Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B1935 0C, B1935 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B1935 0B, B1935 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Back Element Supply Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B1935 0C, B1935 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B1935 0B, B1935 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Signal | B2435 02 | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | B1935 0A, B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Driver Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B1935 04, B1935 1F, B2435 0D | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2425 0C, B2425 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2425 0B, B2425 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2425 0C, B2425 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2425 0B, B2425 0E |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Signal | B1925 02, B2425 1F | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B, B2425 0A |
Driver Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B1925 05, B2425 04, B2425 1F | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2180 0C, B2180 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2180 0B, B2180 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2180 0C, B2180 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2180 0B, B2180 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Signal | B2440 02 | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | B2180 0A, B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Back Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B2180 04, B2180 1F, B2440 05 | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Element Supply Voltage | B2508 02 | B2430 0C, B2430 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2430 0B, B2430 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Element Control | B2345 00, B2508 02 | B2430 0C, B2430 0D | B2345 00, B2508 01 | B2430 0B, B2430 0E |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Signal | B2170 02, B2430 1F | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B, B2430 0A |
Passenger Heated Seat Cushion Temperature Sensor Low Reference | -- | B2430 04, B2430 1F, B2170 05 | -- | B2345 13, B2345 42, B2345 4B |
Circuit/System Description
The driver and front passenger heated seat heating elements are controlled by a common high current relay internal to the heated seat module (HSM) and the low side by individual element control circuits. The HSM connects the heated seat heater element supply voltage circuits for both seats to a common reference point. This reference point is biased to approximately 2.0 volts. Before the HSM will allow heated seat operation, it checks to see if this reference voltage is shorted to ground or battery voltage. Once the HSM verifies that it is not closing to a shorted heating element, it allows heated seat operation. After which it continues to monitor for a shorted circuit.
Conditions for Running the DTC
The HSM must be powered.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
B2508 01
Before the heated seats are activated, the HSM detects a short to battery voltage on the seat heating element supply voltage circuit or control circuit.
B2508 02
Before the heated seats are activated, the HSM detects a short to ground on the seat heating element supply voltage circuit or control circuit.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The heated seat function for both the driver and passenger seats will be disabled.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC
| • | The current DTC clears when the malfunction is no longer present and the power mode changes to OFF then back to ACC or RUN. |
| • | The history DTC will clear after 50 consecutive fault-free ignition cycles have occurred. |
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Connector End View Reference
Description and Operation
Heated Seats Description and Operation
Electrical Information Reference
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Circuit/System Testing
- Ignition OFF, disconnect the X1 harness connectors at the HSM.
- Test for infinite resistance between the control circuit terminal 3 and ground.
- Test for infinite resistance between the control circuit terminal 6 and ground.
- Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp does not illuminate between the control circuit terminal 14 and ground.
- Ignition ON, verify that a test lamp does not illuminate between the control circuit terminal 6 and ground.
- If all circuits test normal, replace the HSM.
| ⇒ | If not the specified value, test the control circuits listed below for a short to ground. |
| • | Driver seat cushion and back element terminal 3 |
| • | Driver seat cushion element terminal 5 |
| • | Driver seat back element terminal 1 |
| ⇒ | If not the specified value, test the control circuits listed below for a short to ground. |
| • | Passenger seat cushion and back element terminal 6 |
| • | Passenger seat cushion element terminal 2 |
| • | Passenger seat back element terminal 4 |
| ⇒ | If the test lamp illuminates, test the control circuits listed below for a short to voltage. |
| • | Driver seat cushion and back element terminal 3 |
| • | Driver seat cushion element terminal 5 |
| • | Driver seat back element terminal 1 |
| ⇒ | If the test lamp illuminates, test the control circuits listed below for a short to voltage. |
| • | Passenger seat cushion and back element terminal 6 |
| • | Passenger seat cushion element terminal 2 |
| • | Passenger seat back element terminal 4 |
Repair Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.
| • | Control Module References for HSM replacement, setup, and programming |
